So lately I've been working on something without four wheels, I'm going to be building a Cafe Racer out of what was a free(this is good) Honda CL350, circa 1972. Spending most of my time stripping it, hunting for parts, and planning what to do next. This is going to be my ongoing project, so I'll update it quite frequently, or as often as I get parts, I'm also going to try to photo-catalog everything, which is essentially the hardest part of a total rebuild, remember where everything goes.
Basically the plan in the end is to have a machine that has everything it needs on it to haul ass, and not much else. Idea is to use a hopefully inverted front end with dual disc brakes, taken from a modern sportbike, thus getting the clip on bars with a decent sized tire. Using a wider rear wheel to fit some modern rubber and achieve a rear disc brake, with all this comes the need to stiffen the chassis, which I will do with boxing the members and fully welding all the seams. I will also be removing unnecessary brackets and other hooly dooly until I am satisfied. I am not going to reveal too much to start with, but here are some pictures to get everyone cringing at the long road ahead of me.
Remember, always wear gloves when handling things that are basically covered with a layer of surface rust, everywhere.
Before the total dissembly: Note the kicker.
After near total break down, still wanted to keep it rolling, that's the only reason the wheels and what not are on there.
Enjoy, as I mentioned, I'll be updating this relatively often, so stay tuned.
THE PRESIDENT wrote: hey steve...if you arent going to be using the fork and wheels, could i have them? Maybe i could build my own custom old school frame. just an idea.
Absolutely, in fact, if you want, I can get them off this week and bring them out on thursday. I must warn you though, these guys are not the prettiest thing I've ever seen. And they'll need tires and a good going through. But from what I can tell, they are straight.
And so everyone gets an idea of what I want it to be in the end:
He is using a lot of what I plan on doing, the inverted front end, the cafe seat, but I want to use a totally different tank, and a few other things. And just to let everyone know, the fellow that is building "that" bike is far from done in that picture, take a look at this page:
And just look at the finish of the frame in the first few pictures, I still can't fathom the fact that it is powdercoated. And check out the engine, the before and after pictures, this guy is amazing.
THE PRESIDENT wrote: sweet. that thing is awesome dude!!
should ride nice after all the upgrades, huh?
Yeah, the CB350 powerplant is one of the most popular engines in vintage road racing, so there are a fair amount of hop ups and carb options to be had. And with good modern stickies front and rear, and with brakes good enough to stop a supersport machine, should be quite the preformer.
Oh and BTW, I might not make it out tonight, but we can meet up sometime this weekend so i can drop off the wheels/fork and such.
THE PRESIDENT wrote: hey steve...if you arent going to be using the fork and wheels, could i have them? Maybe i could build my own custom old school frame. just an idea.
Woah dude your actually on your way to a bike. Awesome.
Hey it's not broken on the inside! I wanted to tear the bottom end apart to make sure everything was still together. So here are some pictures for you all to enjoy.
A few things to note: The 360 Degree counterweights on the crankshaft itself. The crankshaft, I kid you not, is at least 80 percent of the total engine weight. Block included. The thing just weighs a friggin ton. Oh, and the current state of the frame.
Steve
BTW: I apologize for the mess in the pictures, my workspace is never usually this messy, but there was some hidden oil in the cases and it was an immediate clean up situation(abundance of towels).
THE PRESIDENT wrote: looking good man! nice to see some good progress.
When do you want to come pick up the front end and such? I bought a new steering stem off of ebay, so you can have the whole kaboodle, I need nothing off of it at all...
A4seen Racer wrote: Looking good. I guess your doing a complete restoration huh?
Yeah, full deal. Engine isn't really getting a lot, since the crankshaft uses roller bearings I'm not touching the bottom end. The trans works perfect and everything is in tact, I mainly took it apart to verify it's function and to make sure there were no pieces floating around. But I'd like to bore out the sleeves, put a cam in it, and I'll end up using Mikuni carbs, replacing the stock garbage ones.
And the frame as it sits needs a lot of work, media blasted, rust cleaned up, needs to be braced for the new suspension. Which I'm having serious thoughts about only because I am somewhat believing that the frame itself is not going to be up to the task of supporting the load of the new suspension. Back in the day, they ran bias ply tires, that were one step up from wooden wheels, so with huge stickies front and back, it is going to put a huge amount of force on a frame that flat out wasn't designed for it. I may just clean everything up and sell it out, buy something more capable, as apposed to building the whole thing and then realizing that the frame is going to fold itself in half.... when I yam on the front brakes.
Ok so I need some input here. I'm wavering in between sticking with spoked wheels or going to modern alloys wheels. I really like the vintage spoke look, but they are a hassle and hard to find good tires for. Advantages of the alloys is obviously tire choice, weight, and they don't ever loosen up, which is a good thing. Here are two examples. This is a Honda 450, but it looks similar. And this is the Honda 350 I had posted before. Any thoughts? I highly doubt I'm going to be going "too" fast on this thing, and that was my main thinking for alloys, big bad ass brakes...and the spoke wheels with the black hoops...yum yum...
So I thought an update is in order. No pictars as of yet, but I'll take some soon.
Engine is reassembled, painted, carbs are cleaned, waiting on the seal kits. Got a bunch of parts in. Clutch cable, points/condensor, new ignition switch(feels nice to have keys), steering head bearings, throttle cable, and some more stuff I'm sure I forgot. Also have a new(used) frame, clear title, so once things are ready to go, I can just grab a tag from the DMV and be good to go. But end plans have changed since the last update, due to not only money constraints, but trying to keep it 'period'.
She will now be running the stock hub/drums front and rear, and a refurbished set of stock forks/triples. Paint/powdercoat will be as follows:
Wheels: Hoops, red powedercoat Spokes, Chrome(only thing I could find) Hubs, satin black. Tank, satin black. Fenders(if I run them) probably satin black as well, maybe, not sure. Basically, you get three colors. Red, satin black, and flat aluminum(engine)
It's getting close, mostly just ordering parts left and right trying to get everything together. Ever build a motorized vehicle from scratch? Yeah, it's a lot more parts than you think. Luckily, all of this stuff is super cheap, just takes a big checklist to make sure you buy everything.
And on a side note, I'll probably be buying my old bike back(the Bandit), so I can then take even more time on this, and get the frame powdercoated, while still having something else to ride. More info/pictures to follow.
Been a bit. Thought I'd bring this thread on back. Just pulled the tape off like .5 seconds ago. I'm running errands today, but wanted to throw this up here. Tank isn't really secure, nor is the seat, put on for demonstration purposes. Discuss.