Well next week I'll be buying a few goodies for the motor rebuild. Starting off with head gasket, bearings, piston rings and vitara pistons... again. Then I'm deciding if i wanna go eagle rods or tuner toy rods. With the TT rods you have to get them machined a little to fit in the vitara wrist pins. Theres about a $100 difference in price between the 2. I'll most likely go with the eagle ones since i have not heard anything about getting them machined to fit.
Oh I'm still not to sure if the crankshaft is still good. So I may have to look into one of those also.
Man I can't wait to get all this done. I've been wanting to do this for a while. I've come close to doing it once. We'll see what happens within the next few weeks.
hey danny has some performance mods for sale, cam, vafc2, umm a cam and a bunch of other go fast parts. He also can find anything you need for cheap so give me a list of parts that you need and ill tell him to see what he can do. AWWWWW its so cute fellow honda guys helping eachother out. this brings a tear of joy to my eye
Viet wrote: yeah 300 is the my goal, but as of right now i just want a built/fresh motor to start off with. yeah its going to happen this time definitely.
Right now I'm concentrating on building the bottom end. So if he can get a cheap set of Eagle rods or whatever forged rods he can get for less then $300 I may be down for them.
You are correct about the TT rods needing to machined to fit. However, I have heard the same thing about the Eagle rods as well. Actually ANY H Beam type rod needs to be machined a little to fit into a d motor. Don't worry though. Any machine shop can do it for little to nothing.
I have heard a little sum sum about the NEW eagles not having to be machined BUT,,, I think it's only rumor. Don't know though. As far as performance goes though.....save a buck and get the TTs, have them machined.....or notch the block and or the pistons. All said and done....It will probably be cheaper then the Eagles alone. As far as durability goes, I've heard both can handle 600hp. ALOT of people are running 400+ on the TT/Vitara setup w/ no probs. Just make sure to get in done right.
If your goal is only 300+or-, I say...Save some scratch.
TT & Vitaras FTW!!!
If ya got the cash moooney though do as you please. More powa to ya & good luck!!!
I'm going to do the tuning with jon and his wideband, but i still need to get the datalogging port.
Notching the block is a given for H-beams but the wrist pin holes on the TT rods are smaller then the ones found on the eagles. On homemadeturbo.com I've searched and didn't find read anything about eagle's wrist pin holes having to be machined. I could be wrong. If so do you have any posts or anything saying anything different? I'll try looking into it more on honda-tech and turbod.
oh and the TT rods have smaller/weaker arp bolts then the eagles. Supposedly the eagle rods can handle 100-200hp more and 1000 more rpms.
I know for a fact now that as long as you get new Eagle rods you will have no worries. Older versions for sale a while ago and still leftover stock in some shops have to be machined just like the TT ones. No matter what ya choose you'll be fine for your limit.
As far as your crank goes....You gettin' a new one??? Just have yours balanced, micropolished, etc. It's more then good enough.
the crank i have i dont know if it is still good enough to use. i still haven't a part the motor to take a look at the crank. I was thinking about getting another stock crank that was in better condition.
i would become a member of d-series.org definately better than honda tech and there are some really nice guys on there that know what they are talking about
not trying to thread jack but my stuff is entirly set up to tune just needs a laptop ostrich and a tuner, do u think u guys mite be able to help a broke brotha out
lol mike you can start off with a free y8 head... lol. you'd just need to get a hg, intake manifold gasket, chipped p28, fluids, and wire in M4d Vt3ck Yo! maybe leaving some stuff out, but thats most of it. oh yeah and th odb2 to odb1...but you can wire it yourself if you wanna save money.
that ostrich thing is expensive. I don't know if i'd shell out $175 for that thing. I've actually been waiting for the neptunes thing to come out, but its taking the guy forever to put it into production.
if you get all that stuff for tuning post up and maybe jon can work something out with you and help tune your car.
oh I ordered some stuff today. pistons, rings, HG, bearings, and the datalogging port. I still need a few things like dipstick stuff, pcv valve/box, and rods. hopefully I can order those by the end of the week.
i'm still undecided on the rods. I was wondering if the machining would negate the $100 savings on the TT rods.
yeah but you dont have a turbo atm.. plus i'd beg to differ on the better compression. i think stock the y7 has something close to 9:1 where as the y7/y8 combo puts you up around 9.6:1. I personally would rather have the higher compression. Supposedly you get more hp per lb of boost with higher compression. On top of that the vtec heads flow better then the non vtec heads.
Plus vtec and boost is crazy its like another little boost up top. When I had my super 60 it would pull crazy after 5k.
i dunno its up to you its a free head and i know you can't past that up.
If ya got the money, do it right. All of the TT/Vitara talk is good stuff but that's for budget builds HMT Style. All in all great stuff though. Can't go wrong with either setup.
Eagles/Weiscos, Eagles/CP, Eagles/Carrillo.
Anyone of you Honda guys here running sleeved blocks? I see alot of VW and Honda guys here. How many Honda peeps are actually here?
God I can't wait to get down there. It's starting to get really cold here in MN and I've been home sick for the last 11 or 12 years since I moved up here.
i'm an HMT type of guy... lol. i'm just lloking for a budget build. i'm not really trying to make gobs of power. So I don't think spend crazy money on nice stuff is worth it. Even if i wanted to that is a good chunk of change that i don't have.
HMT, Turbod16, Dseries.org guy to the bone here as well. Too bad for that, now I'm in a situation now where my motor is pretty much dead and I've been presented w/ a steal of a deal. I'll be making the jump onto the "B-and Wagon" soon! New project starting soon and to be completed by the time I make my official arrival to Orlando.
boo weak!!! down with the B series.. lol. if i were to do a swap i think it would have to be a k series, but thats an insane amount of money atm. hopefully prices will drop within a few years.
Actually, I don't know if I'm gonna swap for a b quite yet. The issue is that I need something really quick and there is a completly rebuilt and refreshed CTR motor just calling my name. The owner of a shop up here in MN rebuilt it for himself to put in his EF but now he's goin' K series. I know it's built with the most attention to detail you could put towards rebuilding a motor and using only OEM or better parts, I can't go worng. This thing is FLAWLESS!!! You could eat off of it!!!
My main thing is time as my move down there is 99% official now for Dec. 28th. Driving will make our arrival on New Year's Eve!!! Yeah Celebration!!! So that's the thing...my motor won't make it there in it's existing shape and I have absolutly no time to rebuild hence the reason a steal of a deal on one of the cleanest swaps around is so tempting. Plus CTR...Enough said. Who knows though....you all will know as soon as I do as I'll be sure to post progress pics of whatever's done in the next week or two. Either way, I can assure you all that it will be big.