So I'm gonna look at an Eclipse GSX tomorrow. Its a 97
What do you guys think of them? I know the first word that comes to mind when someone says dsm is "broken" but are they really that unrealiable?
Here's the reasons why I like them. its awd and turbo (always a good thing) It would be really fast auto-x abilities are good its a 97 so its newer than everything else im looking at I could focus more on suspension setup which is what I want to do I like how they look (particularily with giant front mounts)
yes it would be cool cause the one you are looking at is sick, but even that car does not run, you cant drive it back to tampa. What is the point in that?
Get the 2nd gen i drove it today and it was really nice.
Personally I've had two friends that I said not to get and they both broke. First friend his cars timing belt went and basically yeah you know the rest. The second had massive problems. Honestly it sat more than he drove it. I also know of a few people from car forums, met them but not really friends, that have had them and were broken more than running.
I did have one friend that had one that never broke down and it was his DD till the winter time, but I think he was the first owner of that car.
Chrysler and Mitsubishi anal baby. All cars were produced in Normal, Illinois and they love to break down.
So All first and second generation Eclipse, Talon and Lasers. Also the Galant VR4 fits in the same category. Powered by the first generation 4G63 and know to kill everything in the drive train. But when they are working, god damn they are fast.
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I would have to say no. They can be built insanely fast, both ways, corners and straight, but it comes with a heavy price, reliability. It just doesn't happen with those cars. Buddy of mine used to keep spare tranny's for when his blew, and he was a pro at swapping them. The 4g is an amazing engine, it really is, but the packagine(the car) is just sub par for the power they can, and will make.
If you buy an FC I know a guy with a ****ton of spare parts layin around. He's on his, I think 3rd, FC since I've known him. He drifts his so he has a reason to blow his motors. One he crashed though.
So we go from a non reliable drivetrain(DSM) to a nonreliable grenade like engine(Rotary). Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of three moving parts, and it's an amazing design, hell, I like the engine, but who do you know that rebuilds them? Ever see a group of guys put in rotors into a housing? I have, took like 3 guys, keep in mind one of them is removing the rubber bands holding the apex seals onto the rotor so they don't fall out when putting the rotor into the housing. And if it's turbo? Forgettaboutit, make sure to carry a refrigerator to make sure the engine stays cool...
Now...if you said..."But I'm going to take the FC and put a Cosmo 20B into it, and then put 6 honkin throttle bodies on it and go N/A!"
Well then it'd be a different story. In N/A form, I hear the rotary is wicked reliable, as long as it stays cool, this is apparently key. And a 20b? Just type it into google video and find a nice sound clip, I'm at work, and it blocks out youtube. But eff me, ever use a weedwacker? Yeah it has the same throttle response, it's insane.
Or you could put a 5.0 into it. Which is what I would probably do. Stupid cheap, stupid reliable, and you can make it create stupid power. All wrapped up in a dead sexy, good handling package.
Me and Iancannon were discussing this last night on the ride back from looking at the Scooby. As I am looking for a new ride too. I love the way FC's look, but just hate the sound 2 rotors make, and just fear the issues they are so prone to have. As I have no effing clue how to work on them, and while simple in theory, to assemble correct, they look to be very tough. Oh, and one other thing, dunno if this bothers you or not, but they get totally craptastic gas mileage.
FC=FTW 13B Turbo=FTL 20B+ITB's=FTMFW 5.0+ITB's=FTMFWx10000(And cheaper than above option)
Some people have money and no time so they buy nice cars that work. I have lots of time and no money so I get a broken car and spend a little time on it and make it work how I want.
Well since everyone says the same thing about DSMs, that they are broken all the time and I even searched reliability on the dsm forums and found the same thing, I'm not gonna get one.
I am gonna look at the FC though. Theres plenty of videos on how to rebuild rotaries. Hmm what does that mean?
Also might just get the alltrac cause its got a 3sgte just like MR2s but its just a little more of a useful car than a MR2
Well since everyone says the same thing about DSMs, that they are broken all the time and I even searched reliability on the dsm forums and found the same thing, I'm not gonna get one.
I am gonna look at the FC though. Theres plenty of videos on how to rebuild rotaries. Hmm what does that mean?
Also might just get the alltrac cause its got a 3sgte just like MR2s but its just a little more of a useful car than a MR2
Dude, get the All-Trac. Come now, a brap brap brap brap rotary? Or bad ass 3SG turbo goodness, with AWD! Please, no contest. ST185 I presume?
Well since everyone says the same thing about DSMs, that they are broken all the time and I even searched reliability on the dsm forums and found the same thing, I'm not gonna get one.
I am gonna look at the FC though. Theres plenty of videos on how to rebuild rotaries. Hmm what does that mean?
Also might just get the alltrac cause its got a 3sgte just like MR2s but its just a little more of a useful car than a MR2
Dude, get the All-Trac. Come now, a brap brap brap brap rotary? Or bad ass 3SG turbo goodness, with AWD! Please, no contest. ST185 I presume?
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that is were i disagree, cause the all trac he is looking at he cant even drive home....what is the point in that. Yeah buy a car and watch all your friends go racing while you fix it. Sounds like a boat load of fun. Also the other reason i disagree on the all trac is cause of it rare ness. What do you do if a diff blow up or the rear end takes a crap? you cant find that in a junk yard. Also from owning a mr2 i know that the 3sgte is not a baller on a budget motor to mod. Everything is expensive for it.
I am still gonna say go with the RX7 way cooler car and i am sorry but it sounds sick. BRAP BRAP BRAP aaaahhhhhh nothing like the sound of the 787b....i leave you with that.
What do you do if a diff blow up or the rear end takes a crap?
You wipe, then go down Toyota and buy a new one. They sell parts at the dealership. I've bought parts from Toyota before, they're not as bad as Audi. And every motor is baller on a budget with megasquirt and a welder.
I do like how rotaries sound though with the exception of first gens. Especially that RX-8 when I was watching the Rolex series race yesterday.
I'm sorry, but saying the 787B sounds like a 13B is like saying cube steak is as good as filet mignon if you cook it right. The 13B in my opinion sounds like feces hitting a large metal fan. The 787B, the 20B, they all sound amazing, yes, but it's no 13B. Youtube it if you don't believe me. And just think of all the cool people you'll meet with a rotary! Maybe you can even get the Puerto Rican flag to complete the package.
Bleh.
And why again no on the All-Trac? The 3SG is no easy/cheap motor, but the rotary is? Yeah, just don't drive it if you want it to last. But take care of the diff on the All-trac and it will last, just like every other Toyota product out there.
Look, I'm not saying the rotary sucks, the Wankel is an amazing idea/engine. But this is what I've read, as I've thought about the FC before. If you do not know the Rotary inside and out, you better know a good shop who does, and that's just the bottom line. I do not think they are reliable enough for what you are intending to do with it Jon, hell, I could be wrong. But I've seen boosted 3SG's with like 200k+ on them.
Oh and I also didn't know the Celica didn't drive, eff that, unless it's something simple to fix, as it's still a super cool, rare car that will be very unique. So that's up to you. I like them, they are the coolzors, but not if it's going to take a tear down to fix.
In the end, it's all in what you want. Want to learn something totally new and forget everything you know about piston engines? Get a wankel. But be ready to learn how to work on engines again, it's not the same. Oh and get a huge effing radiator.
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