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majorposer


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well i got them installed w/o a hitch, i took about 34 corners, and from that it felt pretty good! and i then tried to slide my car threw a corner, a corner next to louis' house, and i have slid through there plenty of times with out this happening, i usually bring my front into the dirt just a little bit, to drag the rear wheels into, to slid, well, i went to far into the dirt, understeered into a curb, scratched my wheel, and broke, BROKE my ingall ball joint sliders. they are supposed to slide in and out, but vwvortex members have had them slide, or move around with out warning, so with consultation, i had them weld, in the spots where bolts were used to clamp down when the camber is set. well me sliding into the curb found a weak spot of welding it. if i didn't weld it, i might have gotten away with loosening and slide it back, but the welds held so good that the force went to the structure of the top plate, found the weakest point, and broke the plate that surround the welds.


  if i didn't have that on my car when this happened, i might've wrecked my ball joint (which i must say that side is still under investagation as to what else is broken/bent) wrecked my wheel, could've bent the a-arm and pushed my axle into the transmission, but since it was weaker it took the brunt of the force and hopefully i got away with murder, maybe most of you might think that i didn't, that i still have to pay $130. but we could what if, could'a should'a would'a and wonder all night!


     -Lucas



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Dude that sucks so bad. I hope that is the extent of your damage and you can get away with a simple repair. I just think it sucks that your brand new part is broken after like 30 mins of fun.

I did enjoy your emphasis on how you broke, :ahem: BROKE the damn thing lol

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yeah, that blows dude. hopefully its just that since its cheap (relative to other susp. components).

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woah that really sucks. were they still adjustable after you welded them?


you guys should really try to stay away from those curbs



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curbs are where its at, welcome to the club lucas

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close encounters of the curb kind mutha f****

it's friday night, 10:20pm, and i got the broken part out, it did break at some welds, it didn't only get pushed intwards the car, it also got pushed up, kinda folding the stamped steel bracket together, ball joint looks good, everything else look's good, waiting for jamin to get out of work, so we can colaborate(sp?) on when we can get together to weld this thing together and get my car back on the ro-ad's

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hey, i just got out of work.  i work tomorrow from 4 to 930

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well, i got the sliders fixed, with the help of jamin, and my car back up and running. i got take some on-ramps to see if i can feel anything. the grip level feels like i have azenis on my car now, on high speed turns, but with a twist. with the azenis i would bog my motor down, almost like there was a drag through the turn, now it has the same grip level, but i carry more momentum, more speed, i can acclerate more easily, the car feels more manuverable, more stable. more everything, before, i would come out of that on-ramp at 75 max with the azenis, now i'm coming out at 85+, and i if i had more top-end, i could probably go faster. so basically, i'm quicker than when i had sticky tires(through high speed turns, pretty much the only thing that i have around here that is free, and can measure progress)

along with that, i got quicker turn-in with more bite. i can feel my inside rear tire raise up much more! i can't wait until i put the azenis back on!! i'm now starting to get thrown-about my stock seat, and seat belt. it's time for that corbeau, and maybe a harness, maybe.

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thats sweet     how much camber does it give you?

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i think its supposed to be -1 degree.  i guess we'll see when he gets his alignment

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i got -1.4 driverside, and -2.4 passengerside.

now i can the spc camber plate, and put it on the driverside, or should i do ground control for more adjustment?

the spc only allow -1 degree. so i don't know

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dang that aint bad.  the ground controls are beautiful, but they are kinda $$$$


 


i'd get spc



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i wonder why the degree of difference? the car has never been in a major accident to the suspension. i really don't think me sitting in the car could make up 1 degree. and it's not the curb either. before i get the aligment it showed the same difference. inface i'm supposed to be at 1.4 on the driverside, i shouldn't have 2.4. i need to find out why the big difference!

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upon further review! i've researched, and learned alot. i looked at my SAI (steering angle inclination) and my IA (included angle) to find that either my spindle or strut is bent. (i have already read a few cases of people bending their struts). i found this by; my camber is 1 degree different. my SAI is identical on both sides. my IA is off by 1 on the same side as the as the -2.4. this is how to measure SAI and this is how to measure IA. so both of my SAI angles are equal, my camber problem is not along that line, but between it and the IA. i'm going to say spindle, but we'll see.

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looks like a reason to get the h2sport spindles to me

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how did you measure all this stuff? is there an alignment rack at mini?


you should just leave your camber how it is, take all the road racing stickers out of your car, get into nascar and have fun turning left



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boo


 




-- Edited by THE PRESIDENT at 20:20, 2005-11-21

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naa, even before i did this, it's been like this. i took eveything apart tonight, and couldn't visually see anything, but somethings bent, i really doubt it's the spindle, those things are beasts'! i'm going to switch the driverside and passengerside struts, carry everything over down to the nut's and bolts. and see of the extra degree follow's or stay's. only being one of the two things that could cause this, this should expose the fu**-up that needs to go. i hope that it is the spindle!

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just thought of something....the guy at he alignment place we went to the first time said he could shift the subframe to even out the front camber.  just a though.....

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he can shift the subframe, he knows that it can be done, but that would be like asking me medical help, when you should be talking to my mom.

from what i've heard, i'd need to move the subframe about 1/2 to 1/4 of inch to get anywhere near what i need, BUT the subframe's max allowance is a mere 3/8's. besides you throw off the front-end alignment with the rear end doing that, AND it's not recommended that someone just go moving that thing around, they say i need to take it to a chassis alignment shop to do it properly, otherwise i could cause more damage than what i already have, and money.

me and vann tried the other night to get my struts out, to switch the struts from one side to the other to see if the degree moves to that side, or stays, telling me either strut, or spindle. but it was a hassel getting those things out, infact so much so that we didn't even get one out. i'm going to get the spc camber plates and only put it on the side with less camber, and keep the other SPC side, and when i stumble across the bent part, and finally fix it, i'll put that side in.

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i wouldnt just put one in, that would make it even farther off.  ride height and everything, if you can set one with more camber than the other, that would be good.

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Yeah, I think you should get to the bottom of the problem before you go out and buy more things. call me a

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yep screw it all, GC camber plates are going in!! yay!!!!! along with a sh*t load of other stuff.

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sweet, those are super nice. what else are you getting?

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scan guage, seat rail, snow chains!

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snow chains?

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lol, for his snowy adventures in the mountains of the dragon.

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YES!

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whats a scan gauge?

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right here, it's like having vag-com constantly hooked up

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